column maybe on romney. that is our show this evening, and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, we will soon have a law professor bradley moss join us in the second have to talk about another frame of vladimir putin and donald trump, as it turns out. the professor is back from ukraine, he is much to say. >> he is such a eloquent and very wise thinker on all of these things. i am excited to see that one. >> yeah, it's one of those things where it took the war in ukraine, for me, to discover him a someone who belongs in the dialogue on this show, and for that, i am internally embarrassed, but glad that we do now have him on the show. >> yes, no need to be embarrassed to have him on the show, that is a gift to all of us. thank you, lawrence. >> thanks, alex. thank you. >> have a good show. >> tonight, we have news in the

fast disproving case against donald trump in georgia and in the slowest moving federal case against donald trump in florida, where donald trump's favorite federal judge, who he appointed, took a full month to issue a standard order that could have taken another judge less than a day. prompting andrew weissmann today to tweet, unbelievable, how long this has taken. we begin tonight with the high speed faction today in georgia. last night, donald trump formally waived his right to a speedy trial, and then this morning, a lot more waivers of speedy trials this morning. it actually began at 10:13, am, with mark meadows, formally waving's right to a speedy trial, and with the litigants that got their 10:20 a.m.. the federal judge denies mark meadows requests for emergency

stay. 11:29 a.m., david schaffer waived the right to a speedy trial. 11:43 am, joel ellis weighs the right to a speedy trial. 11:45 am, district attorney willis biles a reply to the 11th circuit court of appeals, opposing an emergency stay for mark meadows. 12:18 pm, sean still waves the right to a speedy trial. 1:15 pm, steven -- waves the right to a speedy trial. two pm, harrison ford was the right to a speedy trial. six pm, robert xu leeway to the right to a speedy trial. 2:40 pm, the 11th circuit court of appeals grants mark meadows and expedited appeal schedule for. for 23 pm, sydney powell filed a motion to dismiss the record. for 36 pm, scott hallways the right to a speedy trial. for 15 pm, fani willis files a brief answering the 11th circuit question about removal of a case applying to former

government officials. five pm, mark meadows team files a brief, answering the 11th circuit's question about removal applying to former government officials. 5:30 pm, mark meadows lawyer, renews a request for an emergency stay. 5:40 pm, the 11th circuit schedules or arguments on the meadows motion for an emergency stay for friday. at 10:15 am, district attorney willis agreed with mark meadows's request for an expedited appeal, since district attorney willis also once the case to move as quickly as possible. the 11th circuit schedule issued today for the expedited appeal is even faster than what district attorney willis specifically requested. the appeals court said that mark meadows brief is due monday, next monday september

18th. a district ernie willis response brief due one week after that, with mark meadows dan getting three more days to reply to the district attorney's brief, and with that schedule, the mark meadows appeal will surely be decided in the month of october, possibly early october. the question posed by the circuit court of appeals, surprised everyone yesterday, when they asked litigants to address the question, does the statue permit former federal officers to remove state actions to federal court, or does a permit only current federal officers to remove? and all of the discussions that we had on this program prior to being asked that question, none of us considered the possibility. i think it's fair to say that virtually everyone commenting on the case, on television and

us were presumed that the federal law that allows federal officials to remove criminal cases against them from state court to federal court, applies to current federal officials and former federal officials. no one question that, until the appeals court did. mark question -- mark meadows attorney filed the brief basically saying that it just made sense that it should apply to former government officials like mark meadows, which was a widespread belief about this. but, district attorney fani willis is brief today was, for me, surprisingly convincing, that the law does not apply to former federal officials, district attorney willis says only current federal officers may remove state actions to federal court. the law and question grants at the right to move cases from state to federal court to, quote, any officer of the

united states. district attorney willis's brief points out that another section of the same law specifies that that section applies to anyone, quote, who is or at the time of the alleged action accrued was a civil officer of the united states. district attorney willis's point there is that federal law does know how to specify that it applies to former government officials. and district attorney willis cites a finding and another case saying that where congress includes particular language in one section of a statute but omits it in another section of the same act, it is a generally presumed that congress backs intentionally and purposely in the disparate inclusion or exclusion, where congress knows how to say something but uses

not to, it's silence is controlling. district attorney willis's brief says that the reason for the federal law, allowing federal officials to send cases to federal court, quote, is to prevent the interference with the operations of the federal government, the state prosecution of the former federal officer kevin hartley to interfere with such operations, one the former federal officer no longer has any role in the operation of the federal government. there is no longer a federal interest to protect, and this court must presume that congress recognized that fact. leading off our discussion tonight, barb mcquade, former u.s. attorney and law professor now at the university of michigan law school. she is a msnbc legal analysts. also with us, harry litman, former deputy assistant to the attorney general. he is a senior legal affairs analyst for the los angeles

times. and gwen keyes, a former district attorney to dekalb county, georgia. let me begin with you. the distinction in those briefs today that fani willis has found between a current and former federal officers. >> yeah, it's an interesting question. obviously, the court has focused on this issue as something that they think could potentially be this positive, that is, if it does not apply to former officials, they are done and don't have to get into the merits of the question. i think funny willis takes a textualist approach here, as you say. both canons of statutory emission says that if this is one thing in the civil context and amidst that in the criminal context, we should presume that congress intended that there be a different result there, that former's do apply and civil but not in criminal cases. i think the response from meadows, of course, is that we can look to detects to the

logic of the rule, and if we want to make sure that federal officials can act freely without worrying about later on down the road getting prosecuted in the state, that removal should be equally available to them. i think it's a hard call, why the 11th circuit asked for the briefs, but based on the text of the rule itself, i think funny will says an argument. >> harry lippman, if you're in the mark meadows side of, this it's especially worrying, the question came from the appeals court, but the appeals court isolated a question that no one else have been asking. >> yeah, it really is because it shows that they were already thinking these terms, and as barb indicate, if they go this route, it's a done. there is really nothing to be said. it's a sheer question of law. i do want to say, cannons of construction, meadows has his own as well, often the case that there is a one on one side and one on the other --

you highlighted at the beginning, of course, it's to protect federal officials one interacting. after it's done, there is no real interest. that will be the true tussle in the 11th circuit. but obviously, they were already thinking that there's got to be at least one judge who is very much thinking in these terms, maybe already putting pen to paper, and it would be a real definitive door slam on mark meadows. >> gwen, one thing that we are seeing in georgia is that the federal courts of georgia clearly believe all of this should be handled at the highest possible speed, at the district court level and at the circuit court of appeals. >> i think that is absolutely true, and that could be because several defendants have filed a speedy trial demands. we have had several trials scheduled for towards the end of next month. all of us are watching and

seeing how this case unfolds, and i think at least from this former state prosecutor view, there is interest in making sure that it is tried in state court, much like judge jones indicated. >> barb mcquade, an awful lot of people today made it absolutely clear that they don't want speedy trials. the last thing they want is a speedy trial. so it now seems possible that no one else will be asking for a speedy trial, but we clearly have two different kinds of defendants in georgia now, the small group looking for a speedy trial, and then the rest. >> yeah, and the rest really is a much more common tactic for defendants to take. sometimes, when defendants are in custody, they want their speedy trial because they want to get on with it, but more often than not, a defendant sees a delay as his friend.

delay can even for a defendant in an ordinary case can be helpful, because you can have issues arise, memories fade for witnesses, jurors tend to be less believing of witness that saw something or remember something with the passage of time. evidence can grow stale. sometimes, witnesses even die. delay works usually in favor of the defendant, in ordinary cases. in this case, there is this extra built in incentive with the idea that if donald trump is reelected president, it could interfere with the case in any number of ways or even to a delay pass the election after he serves his term. so delay has lots of good reasons. >> so, harry lippman, here is mark meadows now asking an appeals court for an emergency stay, a pause. having them order a pause in the state case that is moving against him. the district, federal district

court judge has already denied that delay. what is so interesting about asking the appeals court from the delay is he is asking the appeals court for a delay to allow the appeals court to act. now, the appeals court has a feeling right now for how quickly the they are going to act, and how much of a delay, if any, how much of a pause, if any, you might want. so it's entirely possible if they do issue some kind of stay, some kind of pause, it could be ten days or two weeks, or even less. >> that's exactly right. in the breathless newsreel that you dictated at the, top mark, we did not have their briefing scheduled. that is what really mattered. they are totally focused, not focused i'm going on warp speed, focused on going on warp speed to get there on the 21st when the trial starts. there is no irreparable harm to meadows. i think they also are

concluding that they don't have a great chance of prevailing, another reason that they will stay. i wanted to add one more point on the speedy trials, i don't know if it's that they don't want them, i agree with barb, the delay is fine. but what they do want is severance, and fani willis made the argument in her briefs, you have to make them wait speedy trials, otherwise, if you give severance, they could play that automatic speedy trial card and all of a sudden, you're looking at five, six, seven trials. do not let them move for a severance that they need a resend for, if they haven't made. i think they saw that writing on the wall, and that's what you got the procession all the way through the defendants today. >> gwen, is the chaos to the way your watching this, did it seem like a chaotic start to the litigation, is starting to form in a flow that makes sense?

>> i think it is. and again, remember, the district attorney wants to try all 19 defendants together. that is because, again, by using the r.i.c.o. statute, she is able to tell the whole story of how each of the defendants allegedly performed various acts that completed this big picture of a conspiracy under the r.i.c.o. statute. but the other thing is that in terms of judicial resources and juror time, there is an efficiency argument for having all 19 but together, as opposed to breaking up into four, five smaller trials. for each smaller trial, you'll have to get a new jury panel and fine individuals that can evaluate the evidence with an open mind, and as we go through all of the panels in fulton county, that will be increasing the more difficult if you have consecutive trials within which to pull the jurors in.

>> but, when, how can the judge reconcile the request for a speedy trial for two or three defendants at this point to the other defendants who will say, i am not ready. not only do i not want a speedy trial, i am not ready to go to trial. how do you then say that all 19 of you have to go to trial together? >> well, i think that is going to be the biggest constitutional issue, as it relates to defendants rights to due process and not being pushed to trial before they are ready. but, again, i think that there is a way that the dea could break this case down into the matter that happened in coffee county, into the fake elector scheme, into all of the charges relating to solicitation of public officers, and then obviously, the matters or facts

relating to this -- those are some clear storylines, some storylines, if you will, but it is going to be a real challenge for the judge to balance both at the defendants rights to ensure that they are ready for trial, along with those defendants who want to ensure that they have a speedy trial. >> barb mcquade, do you see the solution for the georgia state court judge on this attempt to have all 19 tried together, while some are saying, i will go to trial. other saying, i am ready to go to trial. >> no, i think that there will have to be a severance in the case, lawrence. it's not uncommon. i can remember cases in my former office, where we had scores a defendants charged in the same case, and the judge broke up into smaller groups for purposes of trial. you can break them up into schemes. that is one of the many ways of breaking them up. i think those who have asserted their right to a speedy trial

will get a speedy trial, and i think it is not unreasonable for others to say, i need more time than october 23rd to get my case ready for trial. i think we will see at least two trials in the case, if not more, breaking them up into smaller groups. as fani willis's team has set, it's a trial with 150 witnesses. maybe if they're broken up into stronger -- smaller groups with fewer people examining the witness, is not a several fort motte trial. if they pick them up into say three -- >> harry lippman, what solution do you see of the conflict of the district attorney right to a trial altogether, but they don't want a trial altogether? >> and mcafee has already indicated that he would not do that. that is why -- that is really the strategy behind the brief that barbara's just talking about. she knows that she will break it up in some way, and that is

what she is saying, if they do that, at least make it a speedy trial so they can peripherally more and more. the interesting point now with the election circuit moving so quickly, there is not a three-way divide. there has been the six removals. if they decide that quickly, especially on a rule of law, then the 17 are still clumped together, and that remains pretty ungainly, especially because, it's true what gwen says, they are separate stories, but they are committed to all of the evidence applied to all of the people to form the trials all the way around. right now, i think we're looking at a severance for sure, at least two and 17 but my best guess is even in the 17, there will be some natural divide. remember, of course, some people may plea out. you may be talking about fewer than 19. >> harry litman, barb mcquade and gwen keyes, thank you all very much for starting us off tonight this evening.

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she could have easily issued a month ago. today, florida federal judge aileen cannon that was appointed by trump finally issued the simple possible ruling in a classified documents case about how classified documents will be handled. the judge agreed to every single point requested in writing by special prosecutor jack smith a month ago and did not agree to donald trump's request to allow him to re-classify documents in the case at his residence in florida. judge cannon said that the security officer assigned to the case, quote, shout established procedures to ensure it is accessible during business hours, and at other times on reasonable request is approved by the classified information security officer, in consultation with the court of the united states marshal service. the rules that judge cannon is

required to impose on donald trump are, in effect, identical to the laws donald trump is accused of violating in the case. the judges orders say any unauthorized disclosure or mishandling of classified information may constitute violations of federal criminal law. and the judge also says contrary to donald trump's public claims that the documents belong to him, quote, all classified documents and information of defense has asks us in the case have now and will remain the property of the united states. joining us now is bradley moss, a national law attorney. and back with us is harry litman. bradley moss, the judge basically just took jack smith's plea deal on his suggestion in writing about what the rules should be, put her name on it and put it up.

just do that all the time. it is okay, but it does not take a month to do. >> yeah, everyone is trying to figure out why this took so long, and it's not really clear what was possibly dragging this out. were there other sealed discussions behind the scenes that we don't know about. who knows, i don't think there were. i think this is judge cannon taking her sweet time. but in the end, i don't see this as really causing too much harm to the case itself. the state will still set a trial for eight months. discover now in all aspects, classified and the classified, can be completed and go forward, and things can start to roll. the two sides can move towards pretrial motions, which is where the case will really be handled and litigated in the end. judge cannon may have bought donald trump a month, but it's a month that will not save him in the end. all indications are that these things could still make it to trial. >> and, harry litman, remember those things that donald trump used to say about that they are

not classified. these documents are not classified. i magically declassified them, and i owed them. they belong to me. those things kind of disappeared when the judge went around issuing disorder. >> they did, but it was such a fanciful claim on his part, and her order really is unremarkable. it's just the way you would see it more or less anywhere. though this is a complicated area, to be sure, but the month is, i think, the sort of had done here, brad, of course, is right, but there is still time. the question is, will it be one month here, two weeks there, et cetera. remember, part of it for her is that she is very inexperienced as a judge in criminal matters. she is probably very scared of messing up and does not have the colleagues around her as judge chutkan does in d.c., so that might have been --

but that does not augur speedy lists down the line. the pre trial motions will come in, if she is as methodical and skittish about those as she is about these, donald trump sells past november, easily about mar-a-lago. >> the judges order included this description, as acknowledged by the special counsel, the classified information in the case described on september 12th, 2023, insisting of approximately 3000, 500 pages of classified at various levels, is not discoverable information, so bradley moss, 3500 pages classified at various levels. >> yeah and think about it, let's say for example, maybe ten to 50% of that is not necessarily what donald trump had at mar-a-lago or turned over. let's say from various parts of the investigation, those are

the classified pieces. if you take out ten to 15%, is talking about 3000 pages of classified records up to and including top secrets, sitting in the bankers box of mar-a-lago. this was the entire crux of the concern that the fbi had the whole time. this was the crux and concern that narrow had, which was that there were tons of records there. donald trump had them, knew he had them, was hiding, it was cohen's lawyers and misleading them, and according to the superseding indictment, he had people like walt not to hide the boxes and records from where they were executing a subpoena. this is the entire crux of the case against him, is how much he had and or he had. it >> and, harry litman, at least one of those documents were famously found in his desk, in his adore, of his business. as the trial unfolds, will we ever know what was in the

contents of the classified document that was, for example, in his desk? >> it will depend on what the witness had told him, but remember, we had his brandishing another document, and we learned the witnesses, that that was quite a serious, a very sensitive document involving plans to potentially attack a foreign nation, so we won't know from him, but if they have either forensics or more likely, -- that he waits in front of them. remember, the charges here, it's the linchpin of them that they are classified. it does not depend on how classified or the level of them. to classify at any level, he knew he should not, and go from there. if it will not fall to the government except for atmosphere to show just how serious a day were, the crimes, of classified and national

defense material. >> bradley moss, not trying to read too much into the judges ruling today, which is a standard ruling, but i kind of have the feeling reading this that this may be the first time that when she was forced to write this, the first time that she recognized how serious this case is, because she had to write. it's a violation of law. if you mishandle any of these documents. >> absolutely, she was making this clear for the trump team and for while t nauta and -- in terms of their access. these are the loss in place, put aside whatever happened in the past, whatever pretrial motion defenses, not your being granted access as part of the case, here are the rules that you will abide by. you want to rebuild a skip at mar-a-lago, that will be up to the court security officer, and you will get to do whatever that security officer says.

if they don't want to grant special privileges, guess what, to bet, that's the person will make the rules. that person is not work for you, that is government security official that will do it by the book, and i don't really care one way or the other, because i don't work for you either. >> bradley moss, harry litman, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. coming up, it surely won't be the last time that trump and putin agree. they did it again. professor timothy snyder joins us next. er joins us next. what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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>> donald trump agrees with vladimir putin again. today, donald trump said this about his favorite president not named trump. president vladimir putin of russia is using joe biden's treatment of his political opponents to condemn america. soviet and russian dictators have been lying about america. for donald trump's entire lifetime. donald trump is the first president now former president of the united states that has ever agreed with russia's attacks on the united states. yesterday, vladimir putin said that the prosecution of trump shows the abruptness of the american political system, which cannot pretend to teach

others democracy. joining us now is timothy snyder, professor of history, who has recently returned from a visit to ukraine. he is the author of the road to freedom, russia, europe, america. professor timothy snyder, during my entire lifetime, soviet and russian dictators have been looking for the example they could use in american life to say through the world and to russians, look, look how bad it is there in the united states. and now, vladimir putin is using the prosecution of donald trump as the example he wants to show to fellow russians, who have a pretty good idea of where alexei navalny's right now in russia. >> i think you hit on a crucial point. everyone knows that russia has a system where political opponents are put into person. navalny has been sentenced to

30 years. -- 2:25 years not for nothing other than saying that the war in ukraine was a crime. in russia, if you hold up a blank piece of paper, you can be sent to prison because that blank piece of paper might mean something. what putin is trying to do fundamentally is say, everyone is as bad as us. the rule of law is a joke everywhere. russians know better. americans know better than russia. that is a fundamental lie. he wants to think that there is no freedom, no democracy, nothing to value anywhere. it's not like where they claim that they had a better system. putin's claim is that all systems are rotten, everyone system is rotten. trump helps him out with that. >> and there were at certain points in soviet history, true believers in communists a doctrine that the --

you don't get the sense of anything approaching true believers them in russia now. >> no, it's really the opposite. their whole idea is, if nothing is true, there's nothing to believe in except for power and force of will and a motion, insofar that is politics at all, it is a factional politics. the thing about trump who also does not stand for anything and basically lies all the time is very convenient for them. i would say dough that although i don't think that they believe it will collapse, they really would like for trump to be president of the united states. they do believe, if you watch their talk shows that trump would seriously lead the u.s. and allow them to win their genocidal war in ukraine. >> so how does ukraine take it when they see this exchange in effect between vladimir putin

and donald trump about the trump prosecution. >> the ukrainians are at war for survival. and from their point of view, things are just much more real than they are for somebody like a trump or somebody like putin. they need the weapons and the support that they can get. i was just listening to a group of soldiers talk, and one of them had come out from the front, literally came from the front, and the first thing that he said was, i want to thank our western allies and american allies for their support. i think from their point of view, it's quite fundamental. they need us to help them. they are not going to get into any trouble but not passing too much judgment on what our leaders say. >> professor timothy snyder, we have to squeeze in a commercial break here. when we come back, i really want to hear what you can tell

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reach the destination because it would be somehow, sabotaged. arrived in russia in his heavily armored very slow-moving train with the maximum speed of about 37 miles an hour. and, immediately pledged his allegiance to vladimir putin saying he, quote, has always expressed full and unconditional support for all measures taken by the russian government. and i take this opportunity to reaffirm that we will always stand with russia. back with us, yell university history professor, timothy snyder. professor snyder, how should we see this meeting of vladimir putin and kim jong-un? >> well, fundamentally it's a mean of two future chinese satellites. the big picture, in this war from russia's geopolitical point of view is that they've alienated the west for a very very long time. they've made themselves dependent on china.

so, in the big picture, these are two countries whose main subject of conversation is probably not really ukraine. it is probably china. secondarily, we are seeing how putin needs whatever support he can get to try to arm himself. it's a sign of ukrainian success and interns and resilience. the russian army has used up so much of its ammunition that the test to look like -- look at countries like north korea to refill its stocks. but it's also a reminder that there are countries out there like iran, like north korea that will help russia. and that's the longest that's the case, we have to make sure that we're doing more for ukraine. >> so, this is something that a year ago or more than that, when vladimir putin invaded ukraine would have been hard for most people, certainly at the beginning. who expected a pretty quick success by russia. be unimaginable that you'd be

at this, much more than a year later with vladimir putin desperately turning to north korea. >> yeah. that's such a useful reminder. i mean we've vastly overestimated the power of the russian state and underestimated the determination and the skill and then the sheer will of the ukrainians to stay in this fight. and it's an important reminder of what it means to stay the course. so, early on in the world there's a lot of people who were saying, well why are we arming ukraine? isn't that just extending the war? because russia has to win. and now we see that's not true, russia does not have to. when russia is losing and it's very important to make sure that russia does lose because only a clear defeat would reinforce international law. only a clear defeat would make it clear to china that it shouldn't be --

in the pacific. and only a clear defeat gives russia a chance to get off on some kind of new food. so, another fundamental claim that's what's happening is that it shows that russia is losing. and it can lose. and it would be normal for russia to lose. this is a stage in the history of what would be a russian defeat, if we stay the course. >> there are people who seem to think that because this war has entered a second here that it has reached some kind of still meat or it has gone on too long. and when i hear that, i wonder what they would've said to president roosevelt in 1942 or in 1943. how many years of world war ii would have gone on before this comment would've come up about what we were trying to achieve there? >> yes, that's a wonderful comparison, in world war ii, president roosevelt planned

ahead economically and logistically which is something that we should be thinking about two. but yes, you're taking your comparison directly. it took us quite a while to take back sicily. it took us quite a long while to break out of the initial landing points at normandy. things go slowly at war, a slow inch of still made. still mitch suggest that too much goes on forever. ukraine's take on much back territory in the few, weeks then russia took in the first six months. ukrainians just blew up a landing ship, in a sunburn at the dock and occupied -- a few days, ago they blew a russian bombers, 700 kilometers from their own border. the ukrainians are carried out a complex multi dimensional counteroffensives with successes that i think are striking. and possibly go unnoticed. because they're not necessarily things which americans anticipated would happen. so, war is unpredictable. but it is very important not to buy the narrative of a stalemate. the stalemate is not being

pushed by people friendly to the kremlin. precisely because it's not true. precisely because the ukrainians are advancing. and it's meant to prevent americans and others from helping their ukrainian partners, and what could turn out to be a decisive moment in the war. >> it is also something you hear from people who are, who have long been traditionally anti-war in other settings. and they are not pro russian. they are not pro putin. what do you say to those people, who i believe, approach that from a genuine perspective of the way they see war more genuinely? and that anything that can be done. anything that can be done to stop the killing tomorrow is worth doing. >> you can't stop the killing tomorrow by cutting ukrainians off. because ukrainian civilians will continue to be killed, raped and tortured under russian occupation. that voice is simply not available. asking ukrainians to give up land, asking them to give up millions of their people. and they know what happens

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